Violent Extremism in America: Interviews with Former Extremists and their Families on Radicalization and Deradicalization

Speaker(s):
Todd C. Helmus and Ryan Brown
Date of Event:
August 6, 2021
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Speaker(s): Brown, R. (RAND); Helmus, T. (RAND)

Date: 4 August 2021

Speaker Session Summary

SMA hosted a speaker session with Dr. Ryan Brown (RAND) and Dr. Todd C. Helmus (RAND) as part of its SMA General Speaker Series.

Dr. Brown stated that homegrown extremism has increased in the US during recent years. Both the lethality of attacks and number of domestic terrorist attacks have increased, which has resulted in several notable cases in recent history. The group’s presentation focused on identifying existential factors of radicalization, how individuals are radicalized, how individuals become deradicalized, and overall recommendations to counter radicalization. Dr. Helmus stated that financial challenges, mental health issues, and social factors such as marginalization are indicators of radicalization. Most of the 32 former extremists interviewed claimed they were radicalized through propaganda, music, literature, or social bonds with other extremists.

Dr. Brown commented that in almost half of the interviews disillusionment and burnout were the leading drivers for individuals to deradicalize. The interviewees identified group hypocrisy, infighting, and ineffectiveness as key drivers for their disillusionment. Most interviewees stated that they ultimately experienced successful interventions by life partners, friends, former radicals, or acquaintances from different racial or ethnic groups. These successful interventions included diverse demographic exposure, emotional support and kindness, and financial support or domestic stability. Interventions done by family, authority figures, or government agencies were generally ineffective and frequently increased extremists’ radical beliefs. Dr. Helmus emphasized that childhood is the most important time to expose people to diversity and ideas to decrease the chance of an individual’s radicalization. Dr. Brown stated that interventions based off an addiction like approach that using existing social networks are recommended. The group concluded by emphasizing that future research is needed to blend data science and ethnography with a geographic approach to better understand drivers of extremism at the ground level.

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RAND Report: https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA1071-1.html

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Todd C. Helmus

Senior Behavioral Scientist; Affiliate Faculty, Pardee RAND Graduate School

Todd C. Helmus is a senior behavioral scientist at the RAND Corporation and a member of the Pardee RAND Graduate School faculty. He specializes in strategic communications, disinformation, and terrorism. Helmus' latest research focuses on ways to counter Russian disinformation campaign sin the United States and Europe and assess the impact of international counter violent extremism campaigns. His research also focuses on examining the networks of ISIS supporters and opponents on Twitter, identifying ways to enlist key influencers in support of U.S. strategic communications and developing approaches to assess the impact of propaganda campaigns. Helmus has served as a deployedadvisor to U.S. commanders in Iraq (2008) and Afghanistan (2010-2011)and led studies on U.S. efforts to train Afghan special operations forces. He received his Ph.D. in clinical psychology from Wayne State University.

Ryan Brown

Senior Researcher and Anthropologist

Ryan Brown, Ph.D., is an anthropologist at RAND. His research focuses on  community resilience and health in rural and remote areas, and improving techniques for monitoring and countering national security threats

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