A New World Order?: The West, China, and Russia Post-COVID

Speaker(s):
Keir Giles
Date of Event:
July 31, 2020
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Speakers: Giles, K. (Chatham House); Pantucci, R. (RUSI)

Date: 29 July 2020

Speaker Session Summary

SMA hosted a speaker session presented by Mr. Raffaello Pantucci (RUSI) and Mr. Keir Giles (Chatham House) as part of its SMA UK MoD Speaker Series. Mr. Giles first discussed how Russia’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic and the way it perceives the state of its internal affairs indicates that it wants to emerge from the global pandemic as a major player in a less “imbalanced world.” During this crisis, the world has perceived Russia as being relatively quiet; meanwhile, according to Mr. Giles, its disinformation campaign and preparations to interfere in US politics have not ceased behind the scenes. Mr. Giles stated that at the beginning of the pandemic, Russia tried to take advantage of the Western world’s weakness by undermining sanctions and attempting to reach out to other European countries under a false guise of help and alliance. These attempts at soft power failed because they were not executed well. He then asserted that Russia has not experienced the same scale of domestic economic and social failure as much of the rest of the world because public perception in Russia has not changed much since before COVID; Russian citizens’ confidence in the country’s health care system and government was already low. Mr. Giles added that the main challenges that Russia currently faces are the state of its economy, its older demography, and management of its relationship with China. Since Russia did not seize the opportunity to reform its economy and reduce its dependence on energy and raw materials pre-COVID, it remains uncompetitive on a global stage. Furthermore, Russia’s demographic makeup has remained uneven since the fall of the Soviet Union. Mr. Giles claimed that Russia’s denial that these problems exist and its fear of causing social upheaval by addressing them is irresponsible and not realistic. Regardless, he argued that Russia will emerge from the global pandemic opportunistic and ready to take advantage of a world recovering from COVID.

Next, Mr. Pantucci discussed China’s shifting narratives during different stages of the pandemic and what geopolitical implications these shifts have. He argued that before COVID-19, China felt a great deal of pressure from the world, specifically regarding Huawei and the trade talks with the US. When the initial outbreak occurred, mismanagement of the disease increased this distrust abroad, as it was clear internal reporting was not conducted effectively, and no functioning systems were deployed to mitigate the crisis. After regaining control and administering extreme lockdown procedures to stop the virus’ spread, the narrative changed to one of medical heroism as Chinese businesses offered aid and supplies to other countries. Finally, Mr. Pantucci stated that, within recent months, China has changed its outward narrative to paint the virus as an external problem that China has completely solved, and any additional outbreaks are not China’s fault. This more confident narrative coincided with Chinese action in many of its interest areas, including Hong Kong, Taiwan, the South China Sea, and the border it shares with India. By taking advantage of the current instability across the world, Mr. Pantucci argued that China will continue to look for more opportunities to expand its sphere of influence.

Note: We are aware that many government IT providers have blocked access to YouTube from government machines during the pandemic in response to bandwidth limitations. We recommend viewing the recording on YouTube from a non-government computer or listening to the audio file below, if you are in this position.

To view Mr. Pantucci’s recent (relevant) publications, please visit http://www.raffaellopantucci.com.

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Keir Giles Bio

Keir Giles is a Senior Consulting Fellow with the Russia and Eurasia Programme at Chatham House in London. He also works with the Conflict Studies Research Centre (CSRC), a group of subject matter experts in Eurasian security with a particular focus on the wide range of security challenges coming from Russia. Keir oversees CSRC's research and publication programmes, while continuing to focus on his own specialist areas of Russian military transformation and the Russian approach to cyber and information warfare as well.

After acquiring a wide range of experience in other fields in Europe and the former Soviet Union, Keir originally joined CSRC (formerly part of the UK Ministry of Defense) at the UK Defence Academy (UKDA) as a specialist in human factors influencing Russian security policy. While with UKDA, Keir wrote and advised for UK and international government customers on Russian military, defence and security issues, Russian strategy and doctrine, the Russian view of cyber and information security, and Russia's relations with its neighbours in Northern Europe.

Keir Giles is also the author of "Moscow Rules: What Drives Russia to Confront the West" (Brookings, January 2019), an examination of the persistent factors causing relations with Russia to fall into crisis.

Raffaello Pantucci Bio

Raffaello Pantucci's research focuses on terrorism and counter-terrorism as well as China's relations with its Western neighbours. He currently spends his time between London and Singapore. Prior to joining RUSI in London in 2013, Raffaello lived for over three years in Shanghai, where he was a visiting scholar at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences (SASS).

Before that he worked in London at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), and earlier than that at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington. He has also held positions at the European Council of Foreign Relations (ECFR) and at the International Center for the Study of Radicalisation (ICSR) at King's College, London.

He is the author of We Love Death As You Love Life: Britain's Suburban Terrorists (London: Hurst, April 2015/US: Oxford University Press, September 2015), described by The Financial Times as 'the most articulate and carefully researched account of Britain's 'suburban terrorists' to date.'

He is currently completing a writing project looking at Chinese interests in Central Asia under contract to a major publisher. His journal articles have appeared in Survival, The National Interest, Studies in Conflict and Terrorism, Terrorism and Political Violence, and RUSI Journal amongst others, and his journalistic writing has appeared in the New York Times, Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, Sunday Times, CNN, Guardian, Foreign Policy, South China Morning Post, and more.

For more information on Raffaello's work please visit: http://www.raffaellopantucci.com and for his work on China and Central Asia: http://www.chinaincentralasia.com

He is also the co-founder of YCW, a network organisation focused on China: http://www.youngchinawatchers.com

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